Jackie Kashian is one of my favorite stand-up comedians to watch live because she knows who she is and makes no apologies for it. That’s also probably why Maria Bamford so much enjoys working with her on the road, and why she’s had a successful podcast for the past decade and running called The Dork Forest. Is it dorky to call your most recent stand-up special This Will Make an Excellent Horcrux? Is it dorky to know that Kashian was a heckler before she was a stand-up comedian, talking back to Sam Kinison before the club’s management talked her into plying her trade in words at the open mic night instead? She recently started a second new podcast this year with Laurie Kilmartin called The Jackie and Laurie Show on the Nerdist network.

We talked about all of that and more during a break in the SF Sketchfest, including a cameo from the Bammer and a coffee from Andy Kindler, so let’s get to it!